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Post  shand on Mon Mar 09, 2015 2:00 pm

Vega 3 piece mag side bearing, is the big oil seal fitted or is the  bearing petroil lubricated Question
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Post  trotsky on Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:24 pm

Hi Shand, yes seals front & back, bearings run in grease. The 1 piece runs in petroil & has a much bigger inner seal. Hope this helps....Steve


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Post  shand on Mon Mar 09, 2015 4:47 pm

Thanks for that Steve
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Post  TS1-200 on Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:26 pm

Can I assume that the Lui mag side 3 piece bearing has only one oilseal ? or should it have 2

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Post  trotsky on Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:28 pm

Hiya,  3 piece is a needle bearing that runs in grease & has 2 seals.
P.S. Cranks are different also, good post in parts and alternatives..

http://lunaownersclub.lifediscussion.net/t242-difference-between-cranks-and-mag-housing
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Post  TS1-200 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:59 am

Thats not strictly correct, if you look at the left hand crank shown in the link, this crank is for the 3 pce. bearing, but there is no shoulder on the crank to take a 2nd oil seal that I can see, it is certainly the case on my Lui crank which takes a 3 pce. oil seal. I think on the J range cranks there is a shoulder for a 2nd oil seal, but certainly not on Lui or possibly vega cranks.

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Post  trotsky on Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:31 am

Hiya, mmm  scratch  You may well be correct as the 4 engines I've done all use the 3 piece Cranks from Starstreams. The 3 piece crank on these does have a shoulder for an inner seal lip, to prevent the grease being washed into the crank. What stops that on a Lui/Vega? Maybe some-one who has re-built a 50/75 motor could give an answer? It just seems odd, as the only references I've seen regarding 1-3 piece crank/Mag & bearing combos are bearing & seals themselves, as opposed to 50-75-125 differences?....Steve
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Post  TS1-200 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:04 pm

I am in the process of rebuilding a Lui50 with a 3 pce mag bearing, there is a shim between the bearing sleeve on the crank and the crank itself to stop the inner from moving, apparently the bearing is lubricated by the the petroil mixture.definitely no large oil seal on the inner side.

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Post  TS1-200 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:23 pm

Not a brilliant picture, but you can just make out the shim to locate the centre piece of the the bearing, note,not to clear but there is definitely no shoulder for a 2nd oilseal, to be quite honest I`m fairly new to these little Lammy motors, bit of a learning curve for me.

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Post  shand on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:19 pm

In the old lambretta home workshop manual it says the shim is to aid removal of the bearing track when using a puller
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Post  wack 63 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:41 pm

I've just done another Vega motor and there isn't a large inner seal as the crank has a flat area to allow the big end pin to be pressed in.The Starstream has the extra seal .

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Post  trotsky on Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:25 pm

Hi Fellas, just got in from the garage looking for a more definitive answer & Wack has beat me to it! Looked thru my parts manuals for 75 & 125 & as Wack says the inner oil seal is for j & Starstreams. Also looked it up in the 6th editon of the Workshop manual, please see below  study . Hope this helps & I now know more than i did yesterday between a 75 & 125! Still don't get that a 75 doesn't use a seal but a 125 does, considering they both share the same bearing  scratch
 

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Post  TS1-200 on Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:27 pm

shand wrote:In the old lambretta home workshop manual it says the shim is to aid removal of the bearing track when using a puller
Good point, that makes more sense,

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